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International Scouting Report: O's look to improve in the Dominican and beyond
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Click here for Part One of Steve Melewski's International Scouting Report:
O's take first steps in scouting Japan

Vladimir Guerrero, David Ortiz, Albert Pujols and Manny Ramirez are some of the top sluggers in the game today, and they are all from the Dominican Republic.

The nation has also produced its share of great pitchers over the years like Juan Marichal, Pedro Martinez and Barolo Colon to name a few.

It is a land where every Major League team now must have a strong scouting operation, as it's the nation that produces the most foreign-born Major League players.

John Stockstill, the Orioles Director of International Scouting, gave me some numbers to shed more light on this topic.

He picked a random day from the middle of last August and examined every Major League roster for that day; and he found these numbers of players from countries around the world on big league rosters that day.

102 - Dominican Republic
64 - Venezuela
29 - Puerto Rico
13 - Mexico
12 - Japan
12 - Canada

The Orioles have been trying, but without much success so far, to produce their own Dominican star. They had just two players on this year's team that were Dominican-born and originally signed by the O's in Radhames Liz and Daniel Cabrera.

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They are adding players to their Minor League system that they hope can one day make it. Of the 200 players listed as Minor Leaguers in the back of the O's media guide for 2008, 54 are from the Dominican and were signed by the Orioles.

Players from that nation are not eligible for the June First-Year Player Draft and must be signed as "non-drafted free agents." They can be signed when they turn 16 and most players are signed at that age.

A player may spend 2-3 years in the Dominican Summer League before heading for the American Minor Leagues. That player could spend another 3-5 years there before he's ready for the Majors. A Dominican player signed at 16 in 2008 may not make the Majors before 2014.

"We've been in our academy there since about April," Stockstill said. "We've signed about 15 players this year. The problem is those players have about a one and a half percent chance to get there (the Majors) by numbers. And if they do, it could be 2015 when they are there. It's a long-term market. We are potentially going to add some scouts there. It's an ongoing and long-term process. Andy (MacPhail) has brought it a long way."

While the Orioles have five scouts that work the Dominican, Carlos Bernhardt is the only full-time scout there. Felipe Alou Jr. runs the team's academy located in Boca Chica. There are five other clubs right near the O's complex. All of the Dominican players the O's have were signed by either Bernhardt or the O's Director of Player Development David Stockstill.

"We just need to update our scouting there," John Stockstill said. "It's volume there, the number of players that you put in the system with tools. So we need to add to the quality players we're signing and that takes more scouts. We've already got the facility. It holds 35 players for the team that we have. Some clubs have two teams there."

A recent Baseball America story reported that the Yankees signed six international players this year to six figure bonuses, and Tampa signed four. The O's, who have put out some big money in recent amateur drafts, did not sign any foreign-born player to a six-figure bonus.

"It's not a money thing in the Dominican. There are clubs out there spending 2,3,4 million on players and the numbers will tell you that's not been the result. That doesn't always get the result you want," Stockstill said. "The numbers tell you that the players that are good players in the big leagues are not the players who got the big bonuses. That doesn't mean it won't change, so you have to be ahead of the curve. We do know there is a history of a player getting a certain amount as becoming a much better player than a player getting a lot of money."

Stockstill realizes it is hard to project years ahead when signing a Dominican player at 16. That's like signing an American kid as a freshman or sophomore in high school.

Stockstill said the O's can find the top players in the Dominican.

"Carlos (Bernhardt) knows where the players are. If a club isolates itself to where they have to follow agents to find players, they're in trouble. You need to find players that the agents haven't already found. We've got enough infrastructure in there that we are finding a pretty good caliber of player. In nine months, the totality of the effort has taken us from near the bottom (because our facility wasn't that good) to about the top 15 now and headed forward. You need to improve that by 2 or 3 notches every year because the people that are way ahead are way ahead of you."

Stockstill said a Dominican Summer League team made up of 16 to 18-year-old players will probably have three to five potential prospects on its roster, not unlike any American Minor League club.

While the O's are feeling better these days about their Dominican effort, they have a ways to go in Venezuela.

"We have not been that active in Venezuela in about two and half years," Stockstill said. "We've cleaned out an issue we had there. We plan and hope to start getting heavily involved there over the next few months and moving forward. That's a long term thing."

Stockstill would not say what "issue" the club had there, only that it is being resolved.

While the O's have five scouts in the Dominican they are not currently as well staffed in Venezuela. Jesus Alfaro does some scouting work there. Stockstill seems confident the O's are set to add some scouts and possibly shuffle duties for some they already have to better cover certain areas around the world.

"We had to clean up some issues; now we are ready to move forward in Venezuela again. We need to add scouts there. Jesus Alfaro has seen some players there for us. But we haven't signed players there in about two years. But we will now make a targeted effort to get more players in Venezuela. We'll make a more active effort there going forward.

"Some countries we've been in, we've assessed, and we won't spend any money there. I won't name them," Stockstill said. "As we extend our efforts world wide, we really need to figure out what countries to target the most. Andy is going to be very smart about how and where he spends his money."

Asked to name the top five countries to scout, Stockstill said he would volunteer only three, listed in order, the Dominican, Venezuela and Japan.

"Andy believes in grass roots scouting, being prepared for anything that happens. We need to have the right scouts in the right places. If you look at Andy's time in Chicago, when he got there we had a scouting structure that was out of whack. Within three or four years we had a large number of scouts and we were covering most places.

"By 1996 he established some international scouting and by '97 that was going strong. Look at Zambrano, Cedeno, he added good international players. Some people think he goes slowly, I don't see it that way. He is sure of his moves. The worst thing you can do is go too hard and put scouts in the wrong areas. We need to be sure of each move as we go forward.

"We have to extend our scouting there (in the Dominican and Venezuela). We think we know what markets we should go toward and which ones we should go at harder than others. Now you need to get the people physically in there. Anyone can go in and watch the top players. The clubs with scouts there find players others don't."




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3 Comments

d. said:

MacPhail had said, back in February, that he was going to have Stockstill take a year to get a good "lay of the land" to select the targets that John mentions above. It sounds like that year has been well spent, even a few months early. I wish we had unlimited resources to go to any and all places, but I agree that this approach is the smart way to go - and I like that he's not letting the cat out of the bag as far as all of his targeted regions.

It will be very interesting to compare next year's BA report of international signings to this year's.

And I'm feelin' pretty good about having added John Stockstill's autograph to my collection this past summer. :)


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d:

You are right in that the O's needed to see where they stood in the international market before they could take steps to get better in worldwide scouting. Under MacPhail, the Cubs improved quickly in this area and the O's can too.

John did not let me know all of his secrets as you point out. He did take extensive time to help me understand this topic better and write about it. I came away impressed with John and his efforts in this area.

Steve

Ghost Oriole said:

Stockstill goes on and on about what the team "needs to do." No kidding. We all know what you need to do. When do you plan TO DO IT?

This quote is frightening:

Stockstill said. "As we extend our efforts world wide, we really need to figure out what countries to target the most."

The O's front office STILL doesn't know where they play baseball around the globe? Here, let me help:

1) Do not target Greenland and/or Iceland.
2) Target Korea and Japan.
3) Do not target Sri Lanka.
4) Target Puerto Rico.
5) Do not target Switzerland.
6) Target the Dominican Republic.

And by all means, please continue to BS the paying fans about what you need to do. It's very refreshing to read how Tampa, with a fraction of available income, is running circles around the O's on the world market.

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Ghost:

You sure pulled one line out of a huge story and took it out of context. The story also quotes Stockstill citing the three most important countries to scout as DR, Venezuela and Japan. He also said we know what markets we should go toward and which ones to go at harder than others.

The team deserves criticism for past failures in scouting the world. They are attempting to change things for the better for the future. If you choose to be cynical about that, that is clearly your right as a fan. I'm going to give MacPhail some time and see if things actually do change for the better. That's my right as a fan as well.

Steve

alex a. said:

I for one agree with d and Steve and am getting a little tired of "fans" like "ghost oriole". Did he even read the whole article? The whold thing is about the Orioles' expanding efforts to target world baseball markets to find players they wouldn't have gotten in the past. The scouting efforts this year seem to have been time well spent, and even Andy MacPhail can't turn an entire system around overnight. If you ask me he's actually moving relatively quickly considering how deliberate he seems to be about each decision he makes for this team.

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