Multiple choice
If Cesar Izturis comes off the disabled list today as expected, the Orioles will make room for him by:
A). Trading or designating Oscar Salazar.
B). Trading or designating Felix Pie.
C). Optioning David Hernandez to Triple-A.
D). Placing Aubrey Huff on the disabled list.
E). None of the above.
F). All of the above and going with a 21-man roster.
I think we can safely eliminate F.
I won't have any updates on Huff's condition until later today. I doubt that the injury is serious enough to keep him off the field that long, but it would be a convenient way to settle the Izturis issue without losing Salazar or Pie.
Hernandez isn't needed again until after the break, so sending him down also makes sense.
Am I missing another possibility?
Double-A Bowie second baseman Miguel Abreu hit a go-ahead, two-run homer yesterday. He credited Izturis, who joined the Baysox earlier this week on an injury rehab assignment, for working with him on a few things that would make him a better player both offensively and defensively.
"He told me (Wednesday) that 'We're going to go to work' in the morning," Abreu said. "I said, 'Of course,' because I'd love to learn with a guy like him who is a veteran and in the big leagues."
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Isn't there a rule that if they send Hernandez down, he has to stay for 10 days unless someone gets hurt? I thought that was in place so teams weren't switching out there unavailable pitchers after every game, which is basically what this would amount to.
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Yes, there's a 10-day rule. The Orioles don't play next week until Friday. Every starter will be on full rest. - Roch
Roch,
The answer is "C." As we all know "C" equals "degree." Sending down Hernandez can buy more time until Pie can be traded!!
Great job with Anita yesterday.
I think that it is a very low probability but you could also send Berken down and use Hill for the start.
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Berken is listed as tonight's starter. - Roch
Unfortunately, I believe Oscar will be the one.
You could DFA Hill. I'm pretty sure he would clear. If he doesn't then you begin the Tillman experiment. With each passing day I'm beginning to feel that Hill has less and less of an outside shot at ever being on this team past 2009.
Quick question: Say we put Huff Daddy on the DL... does the All-Star break count towards those 15 days? Kind of makes that a much nicer option... but I suppose if we are trying to deal him it would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
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I believe the break counts. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me, but that's my understanding. - Roch
ROCH I WENT TO AKEYS GAME LAST YEAR AND IT SEEMED MIGGY ABREU HAD A GOOD YEAR DOWN THERE GLAD TO HEAR CESAR IS HELPING HIM. IT IS EXCITING TO SEE THE YOUN ARMS AND PLAYERS COMING UP, THERE IS SOME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF O'S BASEBALL. IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET HAllIDAY FROM THE JAYS BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP TO MUCH. HE WOULD DEFINETLY HELP THE YOUNG ARMS STILL AROUND LEARN HOW TO PITCH IN THE AL EAST.IMAGINE IF WE COULD KEEP BERGESON AND ANOTHER YOUNG ARM THEY COULD LEARN FROM A FUTURE HOF PITCHER.
DFA Mora and his 52 year old legs. No range and no bat make for a useless ML 3B.
until huff's splits i would have gone easily with a or b, but the ease of sending him to the dl makes this one a bit tougher. does the three day all star layoff count as days on the dl??
who else, besides pie, would you think would have to be included to get the 3b from the white sox? or is that deal dead?
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Don't have anything else on the deal. Doesn't sound like it's hot at the moment, but these things change quickly. - Roch
Knowing Andrew he will do anything BUT cut Pie. He is in love with this kid and he refuses to admit that he added a major liability to this roster. It's this defensive mentality we have seen all year. Andrew refuses to own up to mistakes even if it is costing this team.
Salazar deserves a spot on this team and Hernandez should not be dumped off the roster just so Andrew can keep his -5 tool player on the roster for a little bit longer.
Pie needs to go. And if Salazar or Hernandez gets booted today, Andrew needs to take the next "Adam Eaton" train out of town.
I say either C or E.
My E would be sending Mickolio to minors and using Hill out of pen.
We would not need the number five starter to July 21, and by that time hopefully we can work out a trade for Huff and Baez.
Once again, Jack and I were RIGHT!
Peter Gammons is pretty in-tune with the MLB. So when he says: "The Orioles, for instance, selected Hobgood because he would sign a contract according to the salary slotting recommendations set by the commissioner's office",
you know it must be true.
One final time, and say it with me now: HobNob was a BUDGET pick.
"We're going to draft the best player available."
I guess you LIED to us again Andrew! LoL
Roch-
Why not wait to make this move until after the break?
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That would make sense to me, too. - Roch
I would really try to send Pie to the White Sox for Josh Fields, if that rumored trade is still on the table...
Brummie,
I don't know how you can live with yourself trash talking an 18-year old kid.
You need to tie 50 pound sandbags to your feet and try to swim the English Channel. Nobody here would miss you.
C sounds like a winner, unless the FO thinks they're really close to a deal for either. If not, might as well take your chances with option A.
Oscar's a nice bench player but not the kind of guy you cry over when your two years from contention. If he was put on waivers by another team, I don't think anyone would be clamoring for the Orioles to claim him.
Brummie must be a blast to hang out with!!
roch
If they put Huff on the DL, does the 4 day allstar break count towards the 15 days? If so, it makes alot more sense to do that. But they should try and trade Pie anyways, keep salazar on the bench.
solid job as always. Looking forward to Jones getting some props at the allstar game.
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I believe the break counts. I haven't seen anything that says it doesn't. - Roch
PS. Roch, where has Scott Moore been? I think a lot of people have forgotten about him being the possible successor to Melvin Mora.
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He had surgery again on his thumb. He's expected to be out the rest of the season. And he'll be a minor league free agent. - Roch
Roch,
Please let me appologize, but sometimes I just gotta let loose.
I know, I know. Don't feed the trolls!!!
Chum:
I think it is very sad that you refer to an 18 year old kid as Hobnob, I can understand (though not agree with) your dislike for Andy, your smear campaign of ANDREW, and McSweaterVest,McFail etc... He is an adult and has accrued enough over his career to warrant skepticism, or accolade, whichever your choice, but to derail a kid who has yet to throw one pitch in professional baseball, that shows lack of poise and maturity on your part. Further more, even IF he was a sign-ability pick, if that allows us to have further funds to increase the potential of a winning team via FA or the international market, who pray tell, do you think you are to make those choices? What are your credentials in baseball terms? I remain in constant awe, of your feeling that the Orioles have unlimited funds. If you would like to aid them in their efforts then why don't you fly over more often and attend some games to further the revenue stream to allow them to splurge on FA's that you want. You are like a child who wants to have food from the garden yet does not want to weed it. So inclusion if you must slander someone, at least choose someone who has at least some measuring stick. In the words of a great coach... You're here for one reason Brummie.....
If we were drafting for money reasons this year, how come we drafted Givens in the second round. I believe he was projected in the first round earlier in the year. So he will probably demand a lot of money and most likely a first round bonus. I think Mcphail fell in love with Hobgood skills and attitude and thats why he was picked. If we were picking solely on signability than Givens would not have been our second round selection.
It's gotta be C.
Look at the Calendar. In the meantime, they can work the phones and look for a trade partner for Salazar or Pie. Either someone else gets hurt (look, it happens) or the trade comes through. Hernandez comes back up in time to make his next start.
There, I've convinced myself.
Roch. Why do you keep posting Brummie's comments?
I love the O's, will always love the O's, Cant get enough O's.
Young team!
Learning team!
AM is a great GM that deserves alot of credit!!!!!!!
Stop bashing (knowing Andrew) this team has had no directions for 8 years, lets get past the fact the O's will not compete this year and focus on the good things. The -ARMS- will be here in 2010, this is one heck of a team to mess with. GO BIRDS
"Aint the Beer Cold"
What will Brummie complain about next year when our starting rotation is Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Bergy, and Guthrie/Hernandez/Berken? Brummie, your posts are such a bore! If you truly are an Orioles Fan, you must find something promising and exciting about that.
Brummie Oriole,
I've heard Macphail be more critical of Pie than anyone else. But, there is absolutely no reason to get rid of Pie. If you do, you will just need to fill his spot with someone else that can play centerfield. Pie is young, cheap, positive, and provides you with a late-inning pinch runner, which is an underrated asset. Not to mention, he will only get better. Same cannot be said for Salazar. There's a reason Salazar has not made it in the bigs by this point in his career, just as theres a reason Pie was repeatedly ranked as one of the top prospects in baseball.
Roch,
Is Pie well liked in the clubhouse? He always seems to be smiling and goofing around in the dugout...granted he is in the dugout frequently.
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I think they've warmed up to him. He was pretty quiet when he first arrived, but he looks more comfortable now. - Roch
Roch, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks bud. - Roch
And before any of you start mentioning Matt Weiters...don't! That was one of the few times the O's decided to spend some money in the draft (and Arrieta).
If Salazar gets cut for ANDREW's golden boy it will continue to reinforce his arrogance. Salazar is the future of our organization and Pie is worth less then Eaton at this point.
Get back out on the golf course ANDREW.
One of the problems with the O's bench is that it is filled with guys who are out of options ... Andino, Pie, Salazar.
If Andino had options, I think they would just stash him back at AAA and use Wigginton as the emergency shortstop if they pinch hit for Izturis. Pie is valuable because he can play both center and left and is a very fast pinch-runner. I think they keep him over Salazar, who to me is like another Benny Ayala ... a nice righthanded pinch hitter but a butcher in the field. You could never play him every day.
Roch, there are two NL West third basemen who are on the trading block: Garrett Atkins (Col) and Kevin Kouzmanoff (SD). Have you heard either name mentioned surrounding the O's? Both are having terrible years but have done good things in the past.
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Haven't heard any buzz about them yet. - Roch
Can Brummie_Oriole be dealt to NESN or YES sports blog for a poster to be named later?
E- None of the above
A) DFA Hill- He needs to be in triple A
B) Send down Berkin- He needs to be in triple A
C) Send down Mikilo
Brummie, apparently you did not actually read the article you quoted. Gammons is saying that teams are drafting players they know they can sign at the slot recommendation not because of the money, but to make nice with the commissioner's office. Then they take all the extra money they have and invest in international signings. His point is that more money is going to international players because it is a free market while more talented domestic players aren't getting as much because of the slot system. If you read a paragraph or two down he says, "But the Orioles may go for (Miguel) Sano for more than $3.5 million;"
It's pretty obnoxious to argue with the job the Orioles have done with the draft in the last few years. Matusz, Wieters, Bascom, Arrieta to name a few, not to mention several lower picks having had success, most notably six-rounder from 2006 Jason Berken.
If you want to be simple-minded (and clearly Brummie and Jack tend toward that) you can say that the O's were cheap this year. On the other hand, in my opinion, they were quite wise. This year's draft was weak. There is no Wieters or Matusz to be had where the O's drafted. Nevertheless, the top college players are still going to ask for the money that players have gotten previously, so, inherently they will be much overpaid. And, in fact you probably risk a good chance of not signing your first round pick. So, you can choose a player with a higher guarantee to be a mediocre major leaguer while paying him like he's going to be an All Star (and risk not signing him at all), or you can go with a motivated kid who is more risky but has the upside to be a really good player and you know you can sign for a reasonable amount of money in a reasonable amount of time. The Orioles wisely chose the latter contingency. I'm sure next year, as they have demonstrated in the past, if they have the opportunity to grab a Wieters-esque prospect they will do so, even if it takes a pile of cash. Spending money has not been Angelos' problem... it's the how that's been the issue.
I'm going with C. Hey Roch, what's the buzz on Tanaka? Do they think he is a legit prospect? He seems to be settling in real nice in Bowie.
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I think he's more of a curiosity. He wasn't highly regarded when he signed. Now we have to determine whether he's just pitching a level below where he should be, or if he's really this good. I'll ask about him when I get to the ballpark today. - Roch
I would release Hill. He has been a bust! Than after tonight if Berken doesnt pitch better I would send him down to AAA. Bring 2 starters from AAA
up and fill in the rotation. Even if it is Pauley and Waters. They cant be any worse than hill has been! Hill cant be in the o's plans anyway. That way they keep pie and salazar!
I gotta admit that saying we are going to draft the best player available is a joke
The move is designate Mora... whats the point in keeping him? We have better players and he has no future with the team.
Seems like an obvious move.
I hope Huff isnt injured, he's a key trade chip. He could possibly add 2-3 players. They need to continue to add young talent. The more competition within the team the better. I would take quality over quantity though.
Any chance Mora gets DFA'd this year?
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I suppose there's always a chance, but I don't anticipate it. - Roch
For those who want to get rid of Pie, who do you expect to be the back-up centerfielder? Jones doesn't miss a lot of games but he misses a handful. You can't activate Izturis and release Pie; they'd have to call up Fiorentino or Gathright, and still have to make another move. They'd lose Pie for nothing and not improve the roster at all.
Of the options above, the Hernandez move makes the most sense. They'd lose NOTHING by nominally sending him to the minors for 10 days, and they'd gain a chance to trade Pie or Salazar and get something for them. The only think getting rid of Pie now would do is appease people who want to run a GM out of town for a trade in which we gave up nothing.
From the Urban Dictionary, a Brummie is defined as 1.) A person who is from Birmingham (UK) or 2.) A person of little, if any intelligence or general importance in society. A person who can be easily bullied or victimized for either a) their accent or b) their general incompetence. A Brummie is a person who improves the lives of those around them, but only because they will fall up a stair and yell out loudly in pain, therefore adding to the hilarity of any situation. I guess we can all decide which definition our BO fits best
BO. It will be years before we can detirmine if young Hopgood was the right pick.
Pie needs to be kept on the roster. He's been vital of late, involved in a few key rallies, and can play a good center. Adam Jones as good as he is can unfortunately be injury-prone from time to time.
Pie should NOT be cut. He has too much talent. Yes he is very raw, but the ability is there. Lets say he has 5 tools in the shed. He may have the quickest bat on the team. He has even thrived in the limited ops he has to to play recently. What is he hitting, .450 in the past month? I think he should see more AB's. Reimold has dropped off a bit & may need a spell here & there. Pie is the only guy on the team besides Jonesy that can play CF. No way you can get rid of him. Preferably they need to find a creative way to get him in the minors. I think they should fake an injury ala NBA players so he can get a minor league rehab assignment for a couple weeks.
Question, if Pie goes who backs up Jonesy in CF ??
Roch - Any idea where we can get the Futures game rosters?
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http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/futures-game/2009/268439.html - Roch
I don't know why everybody is pining for Josh fields. Has anybody seen His numbers, not very impressive. Felix Pie is much more valuable than Fields and he is younger. I think if you want to explore trading for a third baseman than the Padres Kevin Kouzmanoff is a better option. And also, how about before everybody comes on here asking Roch redundant questions, read through the previous comments. Nine times of of ten he he already answered them twice.
I don't think this is the time to trade either Salazar or Pie unless we are overwhemed with an offer (or that the organization now believes that Pie isn't going to make it, despite his recent improvement against right-handed pitching). I think Pie is actually benefitting from this time as the #4/#5 outfielder. Also, as much as I like Reimold, he is currently struggling and is three games away from being a .246 hitter--so Pie may be needed against some right-handed starters. Salazar is just what we need for a hitter coming off the bench, whether this year or next! He is not a third baseman or a shortstop; why don't we just see him as a 1B/DH/pinch hitter? If Huff is hurting, this is a perfect time to get Salazar a few more at-bats. He has now hit well for two straight years in limited major league roles. Seems like a keeper to me! I'd send down Hernandez to temporarily save the spot. But Hill is the one that really needs to be assessed; same control problems as last year, only worse! He has good stuff, but it is useless if he can't locate the pitches properly.
Daniel McLean said, "I would really try to send Pie to the White Sox for Josh Fields, if that rumored trade is still on the table..."
But, someone would still need to be optioned/designated/whatever. If that trade happens, does Fields:
A. Get sent to Norfolk
B. Assume Pie's bench-guardian role
C. Play
D. Force the O's to option Hernandez (again)
I don't think this is the time to trade either Salazar or Pie unless we are overwhemed with an offer (or that the organization now believes that Pie isn't going to make it, despite his recent improvement against right-handed pitching). I think Pie is actually benefitting from this time as the #4/#5 outfielder. Also, as much as I like Reimold, he is currently struggling and is three games away from being a .246 hitter--so Pie may be needed against some right-handed starters. Salazar is just what we need for a hitter coming off the bench, whether this year or next! He is not a third baseman or a shortstop; why don't we just see him as a 1B/DH/pinch hitter? If Huff is hurting, this is a perfect time to get Salazar a few more at-bats. He has now hit well for two straight years in limited major league roles. Seems like a keeper to me! I'd send down Hernandez to temporarily save the spot. But Hill is the one that really needs to be assessed; same control problems as last year, only worse! He has good stuff, but it is useless if he can't locate the pitches properly.
Will Rogers said, "I can honestly say that I never met a man I didn't like." Obviously, Will Rogers never met Brummie.
Why not DFA Baez?
Although that would leave us with 11 pitchers (IMO the number we SHOULD have) we could use Hernandez in relief this weekend. It would also allow us to keep Pie and Salazar closer to the trade deadline. Since Huff and Scott are both sought after players we would need Salazar to replace them.
Baez will not be a part of the 2010 roster and it would force a trade now or, equally acceptable, simply remove him from the roster.
Trading Pie does the Orioles no good. They would then need a backup center fielder. Gathright could fill that role but he would need to be called up from AAA and someone would have to be traded/let go/demoted, so the Orioles would be in the same position they are now. Optioning Hernandez allows the Orioles to postpone the decision for ten days and a lot can happen in ten days - trade, injury, meteor strike.
Not me at 10:10. I guess Tim Simon from Bel Air took a break from his Jedi training to impersonate me....again.
Ok, no more making fun of Hobgood's name. I promise. But as an 18 year old, he is an adult and therefore subject to criticism. If he can vote and fight in the Army, he can be criticised on a blog.
Hey FHEF: You're from New Jersey. I wouldn't be throwing rocks when you live in a glass house. A Brummie is a person from Birmingham UK, correct. My kid was born there, hence the name. The Urban dictionary is like Wikipedia and Andrew's plan: RUBBISH that cannot be trusted!
"Brummie_Oriole said:
Salazar is the future of our organization"
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That's about the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted here.
Hey Brummie, Hobgood was named player of the year. Go off in the sunset with Jack and Him. Bergesen was named second for first half rookie of the year by foxsports. Tillman is just getting better. what more do you want. if you want a title thats bought, go be a yankee fan and go by Brummie_Yankee
Hi Brummie
Go get a life. Thanks Brummie. For someone who has a 9-5 type office job you sure dont have much of a life based on how many times you post on one entry here. Go find another hobby, buy yourself a yankee jersey and stop posting on here.
Hi Roch...If Hernandez gets sent down how many times can they do that before he runs out of options?
Mora is still our best 3B defensively and Pie is our backup CF...if Huff does not go on the DL then you do something with Salazar or send Hernandez down without risking running out of options with him
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You only use up one option per season, no matter how many times you're sent down. - Roch
Brummie's comments about the O's #1 draft pick make me believe he works as a political campaign strategist. He cherry picked one line out of an article, taking it completely out of context in order to support his weak position and completely ignoring any and all evidence to the contratry (such as Hobgood's two national High School POY awards).
It is called the 15-day disabled list, not the 15-game disabled list, so days off count. Although I don't think it will happen, I'd like to see the O's put Huff on the DL retroactive to yesterday (7/9), meaning he would be able to come off on 7/24. In the interim, let Salazar play 1B in order to showcase him as a trade piece. According to several sources, multiple NL teams are interested in him as a versatile RH bat. This gives the team a chance to shop Salazar around better, and also gives the team a week after Huff gets back to show he's healthy in case they want to move him as well.
Logistically sending out Hernandez creates the least disruption to the roster, as he can get in an extra start at Norfolk and delaying the real roster decision for ten days. He just needs to know that it's a procedural move and not related to his performance. Also, it might be beneficial for him to get to work with Mike Griffin for a week and a half. I'm convinced this guy should be our next pitching coach.
Brummie,
Can you explain how a 31 year old role player off the bench can possibly be the "future"? Don't you always claim that we need to get younger and watch the kids play up here? Seems like an awfully terrible contradiction...
I like Salazar as much as the next guy... but claiming he is the future is laughable at best.
Can anyone form an argument against cutting Mora? At this point, he has no role in the organization's future, and isn't a particularly valuable piece of their present. From the point-of-view that most moves have been made this year, it seems clear to me that in a side-by-side comparison, Salazar is a more valuable piece than Mora (by a significant margin). If I was the GM, that would be my move.
Did Brummie really say Salazar was "the future of our organization"? Ease up on the hyperbole chief. I mean, I know without it you'd hardly be able to compose a single post, but it really strains your credibility on other issues when you write things like that.
Salazar is a nice player and it would be a shame to lose him after he's been so productive in a limited role. But the future of the organization he is not. Not even close.
Brummie, do you even read what you type. Salazar is the future, he is a 31 year old minor league journeymen. Sure he can swing the stick but that is about all he does, he can’t field or run. I do like his bat off the bench but to say he is part of the future is just crazy. I am not sold on Pie either and I am not sure he is part of the O’s future but to say Salazar is part of the future of this franchise is just down- right hilarious. I am glad you are not the O’s GM and just a guy who doesn’t know much…..
I would not trade Pie because he is starting to show how good he can really be, and Andy wouldn't trade him anyway unless the offer is overwhelming. Also, I expect to see Pie play more after the All-Star Break after a very good and productive June. Salazar needs to stay because he is a great hitter and provides hits espically in clutch situations. Plus, he is a utility guy. This season, Baez defiently needs to go. Huff is a mystery so I don't know what the O's should do with him. Sign him, trade him, or what. Hot Scott (Nickname for Luke Scott. You heard it here first, Roch and other fans) is going to stay so don't keep saying that we are going to trade him. I defiently do not see Mora staying after this season. I think the only move the O's should make today to make room for Izturis is to either option Mickilo, or place Huff on the 15 Day DL.(I really wish that MLB has a 7-Day DL option like MILB.)
Fellow Posters,
________________'s mean-spirited comments about Matt Hobgood are in the words of the great Daffy Duck, "Despicable."
In addition, ____________ and ______ will continue to be disrespectful of Roch, and most of us who enjoy the School of Roch, until they become bored with the puerile enjoyment they derive from pushing our buttons.
I join orange crayon jesus and others who have pleaded that we stop "feeding the trolls."
As of today, I am going "cold turkey." I have tried to shame them, but, currently, they are having too much fun at our expense (one misguided poster recently encouraged these guys to continue aggravating the regulars on this blog).
I realize that some of us will continue to be goaded into responding, but I hope a growing number of us will try to starve these guys into oblivion.
Here's a modest proposal: If you must answer their ignorances, try to post without mentioning their names.
Dude, look at the accolades & player of the YEAR honors Hobgood picked up his senior year in HS. You've been told many many times. Then you want to base your info from a pre-draft publication that was out months before the draft. That's just dumb, obviously rankings change DRAMATICALLY daily. You always want to talk about well, Jim Palmer says or did this and guess what, Palmer REALLY likes the kid.
That is all.
A 31-year old career minor leaguer is the future of our franchise? Pie is IMPORTANT to this team as a backup CF and pinch runner. I'm not saying that we need to keep him, but he's less expendable than Salazar.
I agree Jim P. Hence why I DID NOT write that comment.
Salazar is a decent bench player. He's played well since he's been here, but unfortunately he seems destined to be one of those guys who just never got a chance or break once he got up here. It's part of baseball. He's in his 30s so losing him is not the end of the world from a strategic standpoint.
I just don't buy into the Pie "upside" argument. It's not there. I think there is a degree of favouritism shown towards him.
Just my 2 pence. Anyways, back to work.
Jim P. said:
"Brummie_Oriole said:
Salazar is the future of our organization"
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That's about the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted here.
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No Kidding Jim! I like Salazar, but he is a 31 y/o career minor league guy. I think he can hit in the major, but the future of the organization...I think not.
ANDREW ANDREW ANDREW DAVID ANDREW ANDREW DAVID ANDREW ANDREW ANDREW ANDREW DAVID ANDREW ANDREW ANDREW
Here's a hint: Using someone's full name doesn't give you some sort of magical power or an air of authority over them. You only sound like a petulant child.
I'm sort of conflicted about "the move"
If Huff doesn't go on the DL, then I suppose sending Hernandez down is the right call at the moment. He won't be needed for awhile and he should continue pitching without a doubt. Not a big deal to send him to Norfolk for a little bit.
i now this isn't talking about it but tremblrey got suspened
trembley didnt do anything
Let's look at the options:
Option A: Draft Hobgood, who won the Gatorade and USA Today Player of the Year Awards, and signed for slot money. Then use the money "saved" and sign Sano or other international talent (or MLB free agent talent).
Option B: Draft Zach Wheeler, who didn't win the previously mentioned awards, pay him a lot of money, and don't sign any international talent.
I'll take option A every time!
My guess is send down Hernandez. Not the best choice, but the choice that allows us to try and trade the Cub connection Pie/Hill. I doubt we'd get much for them and be burning an option for Hernandez, but it gives AM time to try and swing something for those two. I think we'll get nothing for Hill, and for Pie maybe filler in a bigger trade becasue he'd get very little as well. With Fiorentino maturing and Gathright avaiable there really is very little need for Pie, and there never was. Olson would and should have been kept. Nice WHIP for him on SEA right now.
Anyone remember Ghost of Earl?
He went away eventually as well. Just ignore the trolls.
If you trade or DFA Pie, you still have to bring up Gathright to back up in the outfield, so that doesn't help you with Salazar. If you trade Pie for Josh Fields (dumb idea) that makes it even worse for Salazar.
More importantly, why is anyone concerned about keeping Salazar? Salazar=Jon Knott=Terry Tiffee and the list goes on and on and on, except he's even worse because he cannot field. Even if it turns out he can hit ML pitching long term, which less than 200 at bats certainly doesn't prove, we already have a DH.
Jeff, You are totally misunderstanding Dummie, he never lets the facts get in the way of a rant.
Dummie ,You are without a doubt the dumbest son of a bitch to ever post on this blog. You have not offered one post in the last 3 months that amounted to anything. Finally next time you choose to criticize learn how to spell the damn word.
Why Hernandez, they have so much dead weight in the bullpen and in the rotation. Hernandez has been lights out since being recalled and you want to send him down!! Thats a great message to send to a young player!! "Hey, we know you have been the best starter since being recalled but we are going to send you down because we don't have the guts go get rid of the dead weight we have in the bullpen and in the rotation."
I think Hernandez has proved he belongs in the rotation. Since being called up on May 28th he has had 1 bad start in Seattle and 1 out(Detroit) and 1 play(Washington) from having 2 quality starts along with the 2 that alrady has so yes he belongs!!!
C
For those concerned that Sano and Givens won't both be signed because they play the same position . . . . Sano is projected as a third baseman in the major leagues.
Roch, I saw you on MASN yesterday. I had the FIOS guy there hooking me up at the new digs & used your HD channel as a test. Anyway, can you say sexual tension??? :-) The girl does bait you a lot too. I was proud of you, you never bit.
Two things... did I hear right, she will be pulling for the tribe when they come here bec/ she has a crush on Sizemore who is probably 10+ yrs younger than her? First of all, does she realize she is on a BALTIMORE SPORTS station? That might annoy a few listeners? Does she like the role of cougar? You had a great chance there with the cougar analogy too...
Second, I heard someone say , either a listener calling in or another staff person there, say you two were playing tennis on air. I got what she meant, I bet over half the listeners did too, but cougar didn't seem to get the pt.
Did amyone else catch that stuff?
Brummie / Brumster,
I love the Hobgood pick. As a complete baseball geek I researched the draft & national accounts had him soaring up boards. His build & arm strength remind me of Bobby Jenks. Who did you prefer they take?
CB
Appreciate the roster link.....Hopefully we'll see Tillman/Matusz do some work in that game.
What exactly is Jeff Fiorentino maturing into, a AAA player? The dude is beyond "maturing" years and is never going to play in the bigs. Back to work BO? Is Mom making you steam clean the carpets in the basement again?
Roch, as someone who has followed Moore's career since high school please stand corrected that he has only had surgery on his thumb once, this year. He was only in a cast last year. Since there is so much speculation about his being a minor league FA next year, can you query AM just what are the O's plans for this kid next year? Are they going to try to sign him? Let the O's fans have it from the horses mouth!
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We've been told he had surgery last year, as well. Either way, it's a season-ending injury two years in a row. As for future plans, I'm sure the Orioles aren't ready to say for sure what they'll do. It's too soon. - Roch
lefty said:
Jeff, You are totally misunderstanding Dummie, he never lets the facts get in the way of a rant.
Dummie ,You are without a doubt the dumbest s*n of a b@tch to ever post on this blog. You have not offered one post in the last 3 months that amounted to anything. Finally next time you choose to criticize learn how to spell the damn word.
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Jeff, my man, not that I disagree with you, but that is a little overboard, I'm not trying to be some kind of Blog police, but calling him that (A.) Stoops you below his level (B.) Makes it tougher for kids to read this blog. Which they should because its a wealth of great information.
Again, please, please, please, don't think I'm disagreeing with you, just saying maybe its not the right place for that. That's all, and I mean no disrespect I assure you.
After plodding through all these posts,Roch,I can understand why you want an intern to do it. Unfortunately my brain starts to glaze over about 5-6 posts so I won't be applying the job ;-
BTW..Roch a story floating around where they mentioned your name but said you were working for the Sun. It was quoting your post abot the lousy O's baserunning a couple weeks ago.
Here's the link http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/?p=17946
Of all the ideas about the roster move,releasing Hill makes the most sense but it just kills a depth spot.There's really nobody else close behind Matuz and Patton appears to be worn out for the year.
I agree with the one poster that suggested they just wait until after the break to activate Izturis. Similaly they could wait until tomorrow and send down Berken after his start.
However if they feel they need to activate him today, I'd send down Hernandez, as I believe his option for this year is already exercised, so it basically costs us nothing due to the break. I doubt he'd need it but of course you explain it's just a temporary thing due to the break and that it might even help him stay sharp by being able to pitch a little sooner.
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Can anyone form an argument against cutting Mora?
How about, he's our best option at 3rd base right now. He is still hitting .280, and is the best defensive player there. He seems to be coming around at the plate, didn't he have a couple of doubles the other nite. I wouldn't cut him loose until we have a better option there. Wiggington would be the only guy you could replace him with, and I think we're better served with the versitility of having him availible off the bench.
I would think this is an easy choice. We either DL Huff. If not, option Hernandez. That way we don't lose anyone. Although, we did have the off day yesterday. So we could skip Berken, send him to AAA. That would be the best thing. He's looked terrible, and could use some work down at Norfolk.
Roch do we have to activate Isturz today, or could we wait until tomorrow? If so, then I would definitly send Berken down.
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He doesn't have to be activated today. - Roch
Another question:
Is there a reason that they couldn't send down Berken instead of Hernandez? Hernandez has been the more effective of the two recently and in theory you'd want him in a more prominent spot in the rotation after the break.
I hope it's B!!!!!!!!
Brian, Grady has nothing to worry about w Anita...he much prefers brunettes... And, well, age-appropriate girls, heh. I don't see the attraction, but I'm slightly partial to another outfielder in our system here ;)
Trade Wigginton to the Reds for minor league infielder Drew Sutton +1 ...if only MacPhail could work that fast...