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Did Pie really swing 3-0? Relying on Gamecast. I can't imagine he had the green light.
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The count wasn't 3-0. - Roch

Never mind. Hard to "watch" games like this.

why was Pie batting to lead off the 11th? Was Oscar not available to pinch hit?

And Pie weakly pops out. Another trainwreck of a performance.

Would you have used either Wieters and/or Salazar for either Zaun and/or Andino in the bottom of the 9th?
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Nope. - Roch

My MLB.com Gameday told me Pie had worked the count 3-0, then it went 2-2. But I just figured, hey, it's the Red Sox - would anyone actually be shocked if HP ump Chris Guccione, after the 4th pitch of the AB, said "Strike. And come to think of it, so was the second pitch you took."

Nick just struck out against Crapelbon. Come on, Huffy, we need you!

Roch,
I think you are going to have to talk a lot of people back from the ledge after this one..

How are the O's supposed to win when you don't need the ball to tag out a runner?

ugh. that is all.

Hard to build momentum when we play so inconsistently.

Sorry Terp muppet, it was me who first said Canada Day Massacre. Nice try though.

Anyways, really really poor performance in the 9th and 11th. Baez should have been yanked a lot earlier. Hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow out west.

I still can't believe they didn't pinch hit for Pie against Papelbon. Pie was not going to get on base there.

Trembley is simply a horrible manager. Why lift a dominant Bergesen in the 9th with a manageable 103 pitches? Didn't he learn his lesson earlier in the season when he lifted Guthrie against the Sox in the exact same situation? Why not walk Lugo in the 11th to setup the double play and pitch to the light hitting catcher Kottsaras instead? Why send Pie to hit against Paplebon in the 9th instead of Oscar Salazar? Salazar single handedly turned the game around last nite and deserved to hit (actually deserved a start) today. Paplebon absolutely owns lefties (sub .200 average against) and righties hit much better against his. Horrible.

Ah. The Great and Powerful Red Sox are back. The Earth is upright on its axis once again. I ate so much crow after yesterday I don't think I could have taken another helping.

I return now to Orioles fandom. Have a nice day.

So yeah, where was Oscar? Give the man another chance to be a hero!

Wow. That loss really stings. After such an awesome comeback last night, we gave away a game to the Red Sox today. I'm sure that ESPN will have a great spin on this story about how the mighty Red Sox responded to last night's loss, as all great teams do, and snatched victory from defeat today. I'm sick about this one.

i really hate this division. im so sick of the sox n yanks!

Why can't Trembley leave Bergensen in the game to at least start the 9th inning? If he can't finish take him out but at least give him the opportunity to win his game. He pitched a hell of a game and I pin this loss on the manager. Bergensen didn't say he couldn't go any further. He said he could get the last man in the bottom of the 8th inning. This kid is the real deal...he deserved this win and Trembley took it right out of his hand.

I am sick and tired of modern day baseball. Bergy comes out shutting down
the best team in baseball on 103 pitches. They keep saying we have to go to the bull pen because we pay these guys alot of money then quit paying them
all that money put young guys in the pen so they can learn how to pitch and you don't have to pay them all that money. I want to blame Trembly for this
but all managers to this in todays game. They credit Tony La Russa with starting the relief specialist then curse Tony La Russa.

Isn't this how Sam Perlozzo started managing games before he got fired? Dave Trembley is showing his stubborness and obsession with going to the bullpen. Now we dont have Baez, Sherill, Jones, and no momentum. Just awful taking out Berg three outs away with a four run lead and potential complete game win. With similar decisions and moves by Trembley, no matter the talent as it gets better here, we will never field a winning team with Dave Trembley managing this team.

Just when you start to feel good about this team. Start thinking they may have turned the corner, they go right back in the toilet. Amazing! Freckin Amazing!

I thought Bergy should have stayed in the game. He was dominating and he only had 103 pitches. But I can't really complain about DT pulling him because just about every other manager in the league would have done the same thing.

Brummie,
How can you call Pie's performance a "train wreck"? Do you not remember the first inning when he drove in Roberts? And if you think he was a train wreck for popping out in the 11th then Nicky and Huff are "train wreck"s as well. You can't just rag on Pie whenever we lose. Pick a guy who actually had a prominent role in the loss.

Roch, I know you can't (and won't) criticize Dave Trembley, because you need to keep a good relationship with him throughout the year. I understand your position and wouldn't expect you too.

But no matter, the primary blame for this loss falls squarely on Trembley's shoulders. Bergy wasn't gassed--no way! He was getting tough Red Sox hitters to pop up weakly in the eighth. He had yielded only one run on three hits, and didn't walk anyone.

He took a four run lead into the ninth, so there wasn't a lot of pressure, but if he did have any problems, the lead was enough that Trembley could go to the bullpen.

Bergy has pitched enough now that we all know he has tremendous composure. He's tough mentally. On top of all this, Trembley had already let him complete a game, so it's not like that's uncharted waters. Even if Bergy said he was gassed, so what? If it was a manager who manages to win, like Earl Weaver, he's going to tell Brad to get out there and finish it off, since he'd have plenty of time to rest later.

Trembley was managing scared, managing not to lose, and the only way I retract this is if it comes to light that it was suddenly discovered that Bergesen was injured. Since there was no mention of that during the game, I'm going to assume that wasn't the case.

It all comes down to this folks. Trembley has two possibilities, and only two: Stay with a young starter who's been pitching brilliantly over several starts or go to a usually dependable reliever. Bergy's also been brilliant today, but who knows what to expect from the guy out of the 'pen, who may or may not have it today. A known good or the uncertain alternative.

IF Trembley wasn't managing scared this would have been a no-brainer: Send Bergy out to start the ninth. But he didn't, thus depriving Brad of a well-earned victory and an even bigger boost of confidence for the righthander in notching his second complete game.

Memo to Dave Trembley: If it isn't broken, don't try to "fix" it!
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I can't and won't criticize Dave Trembley? Really? I expect more from you than regurgitating that crap. You disappoint me. I can, have and will criticize when warranted. But I'll also try to collect all the facts first. - Roch

Roch, One more point. You write: "...there's no arguing that the club's two best relievers should be able to protect a four-run lead in the ninth." Yes, but as I just noted in my last post, there's the uncertainty factor that comes into play.Less than 24 hours ago, Boston's great bullpen was called on to hold a nine-run lead and couldn't do it.

Obviously, that's not going to happen very often, but it happens. The rule of thumb for a manager should always be to stick with his starter as long as possible before going to the bullpen. This is what really good managers do. Bergesen wasn't merely pitching a good game, he was pitching an exceptional game.

When is Dave Trembley going to learn from his mistakes? He's done this before and watched Sam Perlozzo do it with Jeremy Guthrie against these same Red Sox. “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

I'm not one to usually whine about the umps, but from what I saw of the game, the Red Sox were getting all the call. Pitch tracks show the ball to be off the plate, but Papelbon gets the call. Not to mention the fact that Varitek didn't check his swing and should have been called out in 9th.

Not to mention Varitek's acting job last night at the plate when he was "hit by the pitch".

You know what they say about karma, Roch. I hope the Red Sox get what's coming to them...

I'm just as frustrated as anybody about the loss but Trembley and Pie didn't walk 4 batters in the 9th. JJ and Sherril blew it, end of story.

Has Dave Trembley read Earl Weaver's book "It's What You Learn After You Know It All That Really Counts". If not, he should, one of Weaver's old adages and biggest rules in managing a pitching staff is #1-Never, but never, walk the leadoff batter in the 9th inning and #2-If this happens, make the pitching change immediately and #3-Start warming up the bullpen in the 8th inning so you are prepared to respond to this baseball situation should it crop up. This situation did crop up in this afternoon's 6-5 loss to the Red Sox today. Bergeson should have started the 9th inning and if just one Red Sox reaches base in any way, then make the pitching change. Any chance you have as the manager to give the bullpen a rest, do it, and today this bullpen needed rest because of last night's game. The opportunity presented itself today for Dave Trembley and he did not make the correct decision, therefore, everybody in the opposing dugout including Terry Francona picked up on this blunder and we got our just desserts. This game was ours until the leadoff batter was walked to start the 9th inning. Lets not forget the three other batters that reached base via base on balls in the 9th inning. All excuses are unacceptable, period! The other dugout was dead and we brought them back to life and beat ourselves.

I don't see how you can blame this loss on Dave Trenbley. I'd like someone to show me one manager in the league that wouldn't have don't the exact same thing. This loss is on JJ and Sherrill.
Hey, Dummie, how was Pie a "train wreck"? Remember, your an idiot! Stop making stupid statments!