Washburn & Wang
Separate reports on FoxSports.com linking the Orioles to Jarrod Washburn and Chien-Ming Wang have got a few readers stirred up here, which is understandable to a degree. I didn't sense that a lot of fans were brushing the snow off their cars and racing out to purchase Ohman and Startup jerseys - though there's nothing wrong with updating your Wills.
See what I did there?
Anyway, I've been asked about Washburn and Wang quite a bit over the last few days, mostly because they remain on the free-agent market, and the Orioles failed to sign Erik Bedard.
President of baseball operations Andy MacPhail is only interested in signing pitchers to minor league deals at this point unless something drastic happens. That would include Washburn's price falling dramatically, as one FoxSports.com report suggests. The Orioles aren't going to give him a second thought if that doesn't happen.
I seriously don't think that's going to happen.
The Orioles still aren't that intrigued by Washburn, from what I've been told. And Baltimore is way down on Washburn's list of preferences.
As for Wang, the Orioles had little or no interest earlier this winter, as I've stated, and I haven't heard of any changes in their thinking.
I'm sure Wang's name has come up in conversation within the warehouse, but only because he's still unsigned. Names get kicked around as the market, yes, plays out. But I haven't received any indication that Wang suddenly is in play.
But at least it gave us something else to talk about today.
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What was the nature of Wang's injury? Is it considered more threatening to his short or long term career than Bedard's? If not, and assuming money isn't a factor here (although it usually becomes one at some point), why wouldn't the Orioles be as interest in him as they were with Erik? After all, prior to Wang's injury, he was a very effective pitcher.
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He had shoulder surgery on July 30, but I don't have much info on it. Here are a few links from a quick Google search:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2009/07/new_york_yankees_pitcher_chien_2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Ming_Wang
- Roch
This disinterest doesn't bug me one bit. In fact, I find it reassuring in a way. I believe the children are our future, so to speak. MacPhail seems happy to see what we can get to bolster this season, but stick to letting the crop of young arms build up. The guys who are still on the market are the ones that deserve the moniker "retreads." There's not much use in overflowing your 40-man roster with rentals and letting the young'uns gather dust.
NOTE: I know this post isn't adding much, but with the rash of "terminal negativity" (as you so perfectly called it, Roch), I thought I'd see if I couldn't reverse the trend.
It's all about the O's.
I'm not opposed to bringing in Wang, for the most part. He's going to give up a ton of hits and he is going to strike out next to no one, that's a given. But he rarely walks anyone, and even better he keeps the ball in the park. When he's on he can be expected to put up an FIP of between 3.70 and 4.00. With some good fielding behind him that can translate into an ERA between 3.50 and 3.75. On the flip side, if he gets unlucky on that huge number of balls put in play he could be in for some trouble.
Overall it's worth a shot if he's willing to take a minor league deal. He's had success in the AL East on the biggest stage, and the Orioles aren't going to kill him with bad defense up the middle. The corners are still up in the air, but I don't foresee that being enough of an issue to really kill his effectiveness.
Hey Roch, has your roof caved in yet? Mine hasn't, but every time I hear the snow slide off the upper roof onto the lower roof, I wonder if it'll hold up! Especially considering there's another 10-20" on the way. Strangely though, I have no compunction to climb out there and shovel it off for fear I'll start an avalanche and tumble right on down to the ground with it.
As for W & W, I don't expect Washburn's price to come down any. I think there was a blurb in MLBTR that said he was even considering retiring. That sounds like a guy who wants want he wants and if he doesn't get it, he's fine with walking away. If the O's could sign him to a minor league contract with clauses that would pay him a couple million should he make the ML team, I'd be OK with that. But I don't think its gonna happen.
Wang is an interesting name. Not sure why the Yanks soured on him. 19-6 and 19-7 in back-to-back season with an ERA below 4.00. Pretty good. Sure, he's not a "blow you away" kind of pitcher, but he kept the ball in the ballpark (12 and 9 HR his last two full seasons) and seems to know how to pitch. Even up to the point where he was injured in 2008, he was 8-2 with a 4.02 ERA with only 4 HRs allowed in 95 IP. Things blew up in 2009 and wham the Yankee axe fell. I guess its "what have you done for me lately" or maybe that shoulder injury he suffered last year is more concerning (and the Yankees know it).
Like Washburn, if the O's could sign him to a minor league contract with clauses that pay him "big bucks" (a couple mil?) should he make the ML roster, I'd be OK with that. Not as much up-side potential as Bedard had, but also less injury risk and media shrugs (unless you count the times Wang shrugs because he honestly doesn't understand what you're saying).
While I wouldn't mind either, it wouldn't be skin off my nose if they went elsewhere. I like the in-house options a lot! I say give 'em a shot!
Hey Roch, love the blog and been a loyal reader from the start. It's kind of sad that you have to re-act to the negative people on here before they even post. You shouldn't be wasting your time fending off comments from trolls who are just trying to get a reaction out of reasonable fans. Just ignore those negative jerks and I wouldn't mind if you blocked the same mindless repetitive crap.
Kevin H - Wang reminds me of Scott Erickson. Pretty good when he's on. Hit around when he's not.
Washburn & Wang....I guesss if either one were WILL-ing to sign a minor league dael for the right price what could it hurt to give them a shot in ST. I say yes to either. Gotta have some one to choose from for the pick to stick Roch...right now I am leaning toward Garrett Atkins...you have a thought on that yet?????
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Atkins is a lock to make the team, so he doesn't count. Hennessey was a reach - and I think he pitched one inning before disappearing. The roster is much more set this spring, so it's going to be a lot harder to come up with someone, but I'll try. - Roch
Ohman is a career .400 hitter! How can Brummie say we haven't signed any impact bats this year?
I really dont understand why there isnt more interest in Wang. He has shown he can pitch in the AL East.
I'd like the O's to take a chance on Wang. If he is on, he's a ground ball pitcher. What's the harm in an invite to Spring training?
SoBoHoBoS said:
Like Washburn, if the O's could sign him to a minor league contract with clauses that pay him "big bucks" (a couple mil?) should he make the ML roster, I'd be OK with that.
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Problem is that Washburn has repeatedly said (reportedly, anyway) that he will NEVER accept a minor league contract. He feels that a pitcher of his experience and stature deserves a major league deal and that he will wait until spring training starts if he needs to. Much of this is according to what I saw on MLB Network's Hot Stove show this morning. If he isn't a Boras client, he should be with that attitude. I hope he pulls a Kenny Lofton and no one bites.
I would much prefer to see our existing talent than Washburn or the Wanger. I would gladly take then if the don't mind getting stashed in Norfolk, but I'm pretty sure they will mind.
They one name still out there that might be worth kicking the tires on is Kiko Calero.
Oh man when will the sunshine startup.
So if the O's aren't laying in the weeds for Washburn or Wang, where are they laying while they're waiting for the market to play out?
Yeah Roch you are right about picking Atkens as the pick to stick...that is cheating....he has the team made for sure....it is going to take some thought to pick a guy this year...the starters are so much more settled even with #5 hanging...and the position players except the utility role....guess it could come down to that or from the relief corp guys or maybe even catcher...but wow...hard call on the 40 man roster and or ST invitees.
Tom M said... I really dont understand why there isnt more interest in Wang. He has shown he can pitch in the AL East...
I've read a number of comments similar to this, all of them referring to Wang's accomplishments with the Yanks prior to 2009. I believe that player is no longer in baseball. He's done, finished, kaput, and likely never to return.
The guy filling his uniform these days is the new unproven Wang. He's the guy with the 9.64 ERA, a surgically repaired arm, and a very different skillset than his predecessor. They are not the same player so I don't think we can refer to any of his pre-2009 stats.
Wang came up big for the Yankees (thats what she said). Sorry about that, but seriously the O's should have interest. When healthy the guy proved he can get it done in the AL East. He's worth a 1 yr deal. You can never have too much pitching,,,yada yada yada
That would include Washburn's price falling dramatically, as one FoxSports.com report suggests. The Orioles aren't going to give him a second thought if that doesn't happen.
Again we are waiting for the low ball price. If the good teams have a need, they go after the players to fill them. The Orioles meanwhile wait for their price to hit rock bottom and hope something is left to fill their voids.
I guess that is why we are the perennial door mats of the AL East
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Why hasn't anyone else signed this guy? Makes you wonder. - Roch
Roch,
Why are you defending Ohman when Brummie makes a post about Ohman's terrible past?
How are you going to explain this signing when he either A) doesn't stay healthy enough to make it out of ST B) gets lit up in the AL East as expected or c) Again the cheapest alternative?
And your comparison to Holiday is apple to oranges. One has produced no matter where he plays and the other stinks it up no matter who he is facing?
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This is the last time I'm responding to you tonight. It's a MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT, Paul. Do you understand what that means? If he's terrible, so what? If he's good enough to make the team, he's the left-handed specialist. Did you see his career numbers against lefties? The Orioles didn't pay $20 million for him. Maybe I'll do something outrageous and judge his performance AFTER he actually starts pitching for the Orioles. You must have a gas leak at your house because you're completely out of it today. Take the rest of the night off. Maybe tomorrow, too. - Roch
No. No. No. The orioles do not need either player. I like the kids. Lets see what they can do. Matuz, Berg, Tillman seem to be ready.
I dont want a pitcher who gives up 10 runs in one inning to that awful Indians team.
I'm really suprised there both not signed. Washburn was lights out till he went to Detroit and I think Wang was too before last season. I think both of them have a very good shot at returning to form enough to be solid 3 or 4 guys. But I guess the GM's know something we don't bout these two.
With that said, I think we have enough pitching for the time being and I'd rather see Tillman or Arrieta get a go.
Roch- your insights are appreciated. I think it is clear Washburn is out of the picture for the O's based on mutual disinterest by all accounts. Wang should be on the radar but there are likely details about his injury we have not heard. However, I love how all of the Bedard fans are ripping Wang for not being what he used to be. And what exactly is Bedard??? Frayed labrum, never a innings guys, and a 5-6 inning starter. Wang was second in Cy Young voting at age 26 in 2006. He doesn't give up many HRs when healthy. And some of you want to give him a minor league deal? Okay. Frankly, he is probably not much to write home about either but well worth a few bucks should he check out physically. Realistically, he should be able to produce better than Bedard in terms of wins. Looks like it isn't in the cards like that power-hitting corner infielder that was over-hyped and under-delivered.
From the Urban Dictionary:
Troll: One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
Brummie and Paul you are Trolls. You are destroying the sense of community that us O's fans feel towards this blog and all of Roch's hard work. We are all sick of you and if you can't tell by Roch's responses to you two, so is he. Stop it! If you can't, then go over to Schmuck's blog. The people there HATE everything about the Orioles. They will LOVE you two over there; you will feel right at home. For you will be: Brummie and Paul - Lords of the Idiots!
By the way, Brummie, have you sent Roch those "articles" you "wrote"? Because, you know, you're a "journalist". LOL
Man guys like Paul and Brumme just dont get it. Why would the orioles give Washburn more then what he is wroth? The orioles are looking for a pitcher they can plug in there for a year so they can give a guy like Tillman another year or Arrieta.
And hears another thing about Washburn when he was pitching for SEA he went 8 Wins 6 Losses with a 2.64 ERA, Now when he got traded too Det he only Won 1 Game with 3 Losses with a 7.33 ERA and the tigers made that trade thinking he was going to get them in the playoffs... SO im guessing his price tag is too high for every team not just the orioles.
Roch,
Why are you defending Ohman when Brummie makes a post about Ohman's terrible past?
How are you going to explain this signing when he either A) doesn't stay healthy enough to make it out of ST B) gets lit up in the AL East as expected or c) Again the cheapest alternative?
And your comparison to Holiday is apple to oranges. One has produced no matter where he plays and the other stinks it up no matter who he is facing?
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This is the last time I'm responding to you tonight. It's a MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT, Paul. Do you understand what that means? If he's terrible, so what? If he's good enough to make the team, he's the left-handed specialist. Did you see his career numbers against lefties? The Orioles didn't pay $20 million for him. Maybe I'll do something outrageous and judge his performance AFTER he actually starts pitching for the Orioles. You must have a gas leak at your house because you're completely out of it today. Take the rest of the night off. Maybe tomorrow, too. - Roch
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I don't post much Roch, but I wanted to thank you for this reply. So anyway.. Thanks! Keep fighting the good fight my man.
Baron--Thanks for your kudos regarding the Super Bowl predictions. You asked me then about Oriole predictions. I will say that "surgically repaired arm" is not a runaway, freak out any more. It hasn't been for awhile. Why not take a crack at Wang? I know Andy likes lightning in a bottle (Hey, who doesn't). The added thrill with getting Wang and seeing him succeed in Baltimore is that he once played--and excelled--in the Bronx.
There's always fun in that.
I would like to see the Orioles take a shot at Wang. Tillman is young and could use a little more time at triple A ball. The only thing I don't like is the foxsports said he likely would start the season on the disable list.
Tom M said:
I really dont understand why there isnt more interest in Wang. He has shown he can pitch in the AL East.
My2Cents said:
I'd like the O's to take a chance on Wang. If he is on, he's a ground ball pitcher. What's the harm in an invite to Spring training?
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#1: His injury is likely more severe than people think, otherwise he'd have a job already. If ANY major league team thought that the pre-2009 Wang was available, they'd have signed him two months ago.
#2: Wang is not going to sign a minor league contract with a spring training invite, not without exhausting all attempts to get a major league deal. The O's aren't going to give him a major league deal under any circumstances, nor should they. It's possible, if I recall correctly what I read on a Yankees blog last month, that he may never pitch in the majors again, kinda like Mark Prior.
Short and sweet, I dont know why everyones fascination over getting another starting pitcher. We got the wiley vet in Millwood to tutor the young arms we have, let the young guns get their shot and fight it out for the remaining spots, simple as that. I dont want Wang,Washburn or any of those bums out there, they will just waste a spot and an opportunity for one of our prospects to shine. Last but not least, Roch I wouldnt even reply to Brunnie, aka Paul ,aka A.D.D. he/they is just getting ridiculous at this point, I would cut them loose...
Hi Roch this may be a stupid question this being the land of free speech but can't you just delete Brummie,Paul aka Jack so no one ever sees this crap..I can't tell you how many times they contradict themselves just to rile people.....thanks for your great work and i hope the storm your getting is a light one!!...Ed
I don't understand why we aren't at least pursuing one of these guys. Either one of them would be nice fit for us. It would allow us to let Tillman make a few more starts at AAA.
But if the Warehouse & Co. believe that Tillman or Hernandez are ready to grab that 5 spot by the horns, then thats fine.
I wouldn't complain if we didn't get then and I wouldn't complain if we did get them.
I like the upside that Wang bings to the table. A two time 19 game winner...
Roch, Thanks - anything that gets my thinking off cold and snow is a welcome relief! I went to St. Pete in '91 for Spring Training when the O's trained at Higgins Stengal (sp?) field. The site was famous for the SNL Chico Escqualla (Garrett Morris) segments, "...Baseball has been berry berry good to me"! The Yankees (Ruth, Gehrig, etc) once trained on the site also. I drove to Bradentown, Clearwater, Sarasota (Jordan was there with the White Sox), Port Charlotte, Chain-Of-Lakes, and Dunedin to watch about 12 spring training games - sometimes two in one day (1 & 7 pm). The dog track provided some nice late night entertainment. You'll have a wonderful time but I bet you'll miss the FT Lauderdale strip. I loved Buds at the Elbow Room.
I am not a big fan of Florida but with each flake that falls this evening I find myself growing very envious of your trip to Spring training.
I would have taken a shot with Bedard but the two you mentioned earlier do not do much for me. I would remind that Tillman has dominated at every level so far and I think he will do that here. Barring an injury he is going to be something to savor. At 21 soon to be 22 years old he is but a kid and we will all enjoy watching him grow up.
Hey Roch,
Consider I am assuming are using the Wills and Hendrickson in relief, do you think the Os would make any moves for some Hennessey/Eaton type starting pitching? Guys with upside who could put up some competition at camp or shore up AAA? If so, do any names come to mind?
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It looks like the roster is pretty much set unless the price for someone like Washburn keeps tumbling. Don't think that's a Hennessey/Eaton type, so I'd say no. - Roch
Boomer, small world. When I lived in St Pete, I lived across the street from the Huggens-Stengel field. I had a pretty amazing view from my apartment. It was nice to roll out of bed and skip school for morning practices. I had to schedule my spring semesters around baseball schedules. No wonder it took me eleven years to get a degree.
That said, I'm opposed to neither Washburn nor Wang. Okay, I'm a little opposed to Washburn. He's a pretty average pitcher anymore, and pretty terrible in any kind of pressure situation, if I recall. But I guess we're not worried in how he'll handle the post-season quite yet. I agree with Mstrchf13 in that Wang is not going to sign a minor league deal even with a spring invite, but I think he'll sign an incentive-laden deal in the next couple of weeks...with someone. And I sort of hope it's not anyone in the AL East. I imagine outside of this division, his ERA will drop pretty significantly if he returns to quasi-form. Funny how a 3-4-5.0 ERA in our division isn't nearly as horrible as it might be in any other division. Funny-peculiar, not funny-haha, that is.
And I am oddly excited that we're getting closer to indy ball starting up, too. And...I'm okay with being the only one in that boat.
I'm officially Jen, from the Comcast commercials. In character only. Comcast needs more Progressive ads ;)
I think in a strange way the Os are having a hard time deciding who they want to let go if they where to sign somebody else. I really cant see them all that interested in anybody else UNLESS they packaged 2 players to get 1 thus leaving an open spot. I read somewhere where you think that Wigginton might be moved before opening day, but I dont know what the Os would be interested in to replace him with unless it was someone like Hank Blalock.
I personally thought that Bedard would be the last thing they would do and since they didnt get him, I think they are done until the All Star Break.
Roch -
I'm hoping against Wang. Nothing against the guy, I just can't stand the thought of all the one liners you'd put in your blog if he came to Baltimore.
Enjoy the powder!
Roch, seems you have grown as tired of the paul/brummie/jack BS as i have. Really, I'm sure you've been, and for quite some time, very tired of the whole chirade. Personally, I've come to the point where I'll read only the postings you respond to, as well as the postings of about 6, or 7 of your dedicated intellectual commenters. Yes, I've been in class long enough to know them by name!! Anyhow, I guess all I'm really trying to say is, I love the moxie, and I'm still with ya, awaiting the start of what I suspect will be the most exciting season we've seen since '89!!! Why not??!!?
On a side note; how 'bout them terps?!? Dad says Jordan Williams is the best big man since Buck Williams! Quick hands, and natural. He wanted me to ask your opinion....
Thanks again!!!
Hey bird watchers........what does the Oriole bird say?
Cheap! Cheap! Cheap!
Roch: Thank you for explaining how a minor league deal works.
From where I am sitting it sounds like a minor league deal allows the team to save money, take all the credit if the player works out and escape any and all responsibility if the player is terrible.
I can already hear the Yes Fans and media screaming at Paul and me in June when Ohman is getting lit up and costing us games in the Win column. "It was a low risk deal!"
While every team signs players to these type of deals, Andy seems to live and die by them. LOL
Budget Baseball, at its best.
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So when every other team was offering Ohman a minor league deal, you think the Orioles should have given him a major league deal and a spot on the 40-man? Yeah, smart business. You've posted two slams at 6 a.m., clearing intent on stirring things up. Nothing else. Well, guess ol' Brummie is testing me again. Unless you have something more constructive to say, I won't be posting any more of your comments today - unless you send me those links to your stories, International Man of Mystery. And thanks, once again, for forcing me to babysit you. Like I have the time or interest. - Roch
I feel like you guys are sleeping on Washburn. He had an all-star year last year and completely crushed us every time he faced us... Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he one-hit shutout us last year?
Either way, I'm not 100% sure there would be room for him since this team is all about the kids still; but lets not act like Jarrod Washburn is a washed up... he's a pretty quality pitcher and wherever he sticks he's going to pitch himself to 12-15 wins.
C'mon, everybody, do you really want an injured Wang? Be serious. There's a good reason nobody is biting on Wang. Except our troll.
I'm a guy who loves cornball humor (and second grade humor at times) probably why I will be a lifer in the SoR. You barely have to work to make someone laugh with Wang titles. OCJ does make a point about the likelihood of getting a damaged Wang, though this is countered by the fact that Ann Marie is a big fan of Wang. Tom M can't understand why anybody wouldn't be interested in Wang but mstrchef13 feels that Wang is better left untouched or only regret will follow. I personally think a healthy and imposing Wang creates a great Wild Card scenario.{crickets}
Roch,
I'm sure its weeks like this that make you wish you were already at ST. I could see the value in signing one of these guys but at the sametime I would like to see Tillman get his time in the Majors. I just don't know how much more the minors are going to help (he seemed pretty succesful there). It's nice that we are starting to get depth; I think it shows the most when we are only looking at signing players for additional organizational depth and not handing out ST passes to any journeyman (as was necessary last year w/ the waiting development of Tillman and Matusz). Slowly but surely this team is going to turn the corner.
Roch-
Would you trade Tillman, Arietta, Britton, Snyder, and Erbe for Lincecum?
I was wondering what the best pitcher in baseball is worth in trade.
Assuming you have 200 Million bucks laying in the street at Eutaw, to sign him to a long term deal, say 8 or 9 years. He is 25.
Just Curius.
You would lose those kids, but, your rotation would be, Lincecum, Millwood, Matusz, Bergeson, Guthrie. Not Bad. There would be a lot of 4 outa 5 game win streaks.
Would you trade those same 5 for Pujols?
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You know I'm not a big fan of imaginary trades, but no. Don't think I'd strip away all that young pitching. - Roch
Thank the Lord, Brummie is banned!! Roch, question for you, how does MLB determine who gets opening day home games and who doesnt? I know at one point in time it seemed like opening day in Baltimore was always the first day of the season but in the last 10 years or so we have had a mix of home and away games on opening day....
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I really don't know if there's a specific system in place for that. Maybe someone else can help here. - Roch
Roch:
PLEASE FOWARD ALL EMAILS FROM: Brummie_Oriole
TO: nestor@wnst.net, or drew@wnst.net
They definitely need readers and listeners.
Of course, they maybe be marked RETURN TO SENDER?
MAKE US ALL HAPPY.
JO
With Wangburn we would have a heck of an ambidextrous pitcher.
Nationals sign broken Wang
I just heard on MLB radio this morning that Wang has signed a deal with the Nationals. They had no details.
Great Blog Roch. I read it everyday. You make it look easy but it is not. I write a blog on Penn State football and I had no idea what I was getting myself into when I agreed to do it. Thanks for keeping us up to date on what is happening.
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Thanks. I hear Paterno can be a real joy to cover sometimes. - Roch
If given the choice of these two, I'll take Wang, since he's a groundball pitcher. Washburn wouldn't do well in OPACY.
Of course, I need to stop saying "I'll take Wang" in public...
amarie said:
And I am oddly excited that we're getting closer to indy ball starting up, too. And...I'm okay with being the only one in that boat.
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AMarie, the guy who teaches two doors down from me was the third base coach for Atlantic City for a few years before his kids got to be older. I spoke to him one time about it, and he said "baseball is baseball". I think he meant that coaching ballplayers is the same at every level. We also have a guy on our support staff who has a World Series ring from his time as a scout with Toronto in the early 90s. Too bad our school's baseball team doesn't have any talent to take advantage of all this instruction.
Stallion said:
Thank the Lord, Brummie is banned!! Roch, question for you, how does MLB determine who gets opening day home games and who doesnt? I know at one point in time it seemed like opening day in Baltimore was always the first day of the season but in the last 10 years or so we have had a mix of home and away games on opening day....
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From what I have heard (guys like Phil Wood and Tom Davis talking on the radio), when MLB has teams in two markets they alternate opening days. Lately, the league has decided that Washington and Baltimore are the same market for scheduling purposes, and that the two teams alternate who plays at home on opening day and who plays on the road. Last year, we played at home and the Nats opened on the road. This year, the Nats open at home and we open on the road. Next year, it will flop back.
Harrisburg Bob said:
Nationals sign broken Wang
I just heard on MLB radio this morning that Wang has signed a deal with the Nationals. They had no details.
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According to ESPN's Buster Olney (updated at 10:42 this morning), Wang will decide on a new team in the next 7 to 10 days.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4902366