Should they get Getz?
I've always believed that the Orioles needed to get a second baseman in return if they traded Brian Roberts, because Ryan Freel's value comes in being able to move around the infield and outfield, and the farm system doesn't have anyone who's close to being ready.
It would make sense for the Orioles to demand that the White Sox include Triple-A second baseman Chris Getz in any prospective deal. Roberts would be blocking him, and Orioles scouts give him high marks.
Getz batted .302 with 24 doubles, 11 homers and 52 RBIs in 111 games at Charlotte. He had a .366 on-base percentage and a .448 slugging percentage, and was 11-for-15 in stolen base attempts.
The Orioles checked him out at the University of Michigan, and again in the White Sox system. He's regarded as an "igniter," somebody who can bat leadoff and kick-start a rally by getting on base and stealing one.
Getz made his major league debut on Aug. 12 and batted .286 with an RBI. At Charlotte, he batted .319 against left-handers despite batting from the left side. He also hit .304 with runners in scoring position. He would be a logical replacement for Roberts.
However, I want to stress that I'm not reporting that a deal is close to being completed. I'm just saying that White Sox general manager Kenny Williams would love to acquire Roberts, the Orioles apparently brought up Gavin Floyd's name, and the White Sox appear willing to trade him - probably figuring this would be a good time to move him, with his stock so high. And Chicago has a second baseman who could be included in the deal, one that the Orioles really like.
We'll see if anything comes of it.
Floyd, a Mount St. Joe grad who grew up in Severna Park, would love to pitch for the Orioles. He didn't dream of pitching for the Yankees. And his agent is Ron Shapiro, who has strong ties to Baltimore. It should be easier to negotiate a long-term deal down the road, though that's not something the Orioles would have to worry about for a while.
It's the Hot Stove season. This is as good a time as any to imagine a rotation that includes Floyd, Jeremy Guthrie, Brian Matusz, Jake Arrieta and Chris Tillman. And to wonder how the Orioles would make room for David Hernandez, Brad Bergesen, Brandon Erbe, Chorye Spoone, Tim Bascom, Zach Britton...
Hey, it beats whining about Mark Teixeira and ripping apart the Mark Hendrickson signing. At least for a few days.
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Roch I saw this idea come up on the hot stove show and I agree with a floyd, getz for roberts deal. I must add I am not condoning any Roberts deal, I think we are better off keeping him where he is, but if he had to be traded this seems like a pretty good deal. So what are getz's projected major league stats....BA im most concerned about, weather his high avg. will translate into a high BA in the majors.
Getz and Floyd for Roberts seems like a deal to me. Macphail needs to make it happen!
Roch,
You say the farm system doesn't have anyone close to being ready, does that mean that you don't think Justin Turner is any more than an organizational filler? Do you think he could be a viable option in a year or so?
Get it done AM!!! I love this deal!!!
I would make this trade in a heart beat! I love Brian, but if we can get hometown boy Gavin AND a highly regarded second baseman this would be another success story for Andy.
B Rob would soon find out the grass isn't any greener over there, too.
This deal still makes no sense from a White Sox perspective. Why in the heck would they deal a good, young, cheap starter that they control for a few more years for an again, expensive 2B rental? KW has acquired a slew of 2B recently, too. Sox have two holes in their rotation, as it is anyway. No way this happens unless the O's send SPs back to the White Sox, and then that wouldn't make much sense for Baltimore.
I hate to see Roberts go also, BTW where is Hairston. Make the trade if it's even an option. Side thought.... really wish I played high school ball at Mt St Joe.
Roch, do you think it would be a straight up trade of B.Rob for Gavin and Getz, or would the Sox want a lower level minor league pitcher as well?
Getz + Floyd for Roberts? Sign me up! We can throw in Jamie Walker if that will sweeten the deal. haha
Aren't we all glad Angelos didn't allow Flanaquette to trade Roberts and Hayden Penn for Adam LaRoche and Brian Giles? Doubly true if Penn makes our rotation this year, as he should.
I've never liked the idea of trading roberts, unless we get an mlb-ready 2b option. this deal is definitely more attractive than the ones rumored in the last offseason. if we trade brob, this is the kind of deal that needs to get done.
If we can get Getz and Floyd for Roberts that would be a phenomenal deal for us. We'd get a second baseman who we would have control of for at least 5 years and a solid local pitcher that would have a place in our rotation for a long time to come, knock on wood, as long as he stays healthy. Anything on top of that would be icing on the cake for a 1-year rental. I will be extremely impressed with MacPhail yet again if he can aquire those two.
Alex,
I think we all love (loved) watching BRob play for us, but NOW is the time to trade him. We can't resign him, and trading him is the fastest way to get better.
I've been also preaching to trade Huff also (off his best season)...the Angels are in need of a 1b since they stupidly traded away Kotchman for 3 months of Texeira.
LET THE KIDS PLAY!
COME ON! it would be a stupid trade for the White Sox to make just straight up, adding Getz to the mix just makes it even dumber unless the Orioles are going to cover all of Roberts salery.
Hey Roch, I was doing some poking around online... can you do some digging to see if Chuck James has turned any heads? I've been looking at his stats, and he really looks like a talented pitcher. ERA right around 4 and around 2 at AAA. Never had a truly bad season. Last year he was injured I believe, but he was once regarded highly by the Braves. What do you think?
John
LOL. Getz AND Floyd for Brian Roberts? A cheap, young 17-game winner and the White Sox' planned starting 2B in exchange for an expensive 1-year rental? Sounds like the kind of deal that wouldn't even be accepted in a video game.
Teams weren't even offering the O's deals that nice a year ago when they would have had Roberts for 2 full seasons. Now the White Sox are going to give up 2 starters? Not likely.
Getz AND Floyd for a one year rental of Roberts? lol.. You guys are high. Floyd for a one year rental of Roberts is a steal by itself for the O's. MacPhail would be a food to pass that up.
If MacPhail asks for Getz, I think Williams is going to want a high level pitching prospect to even things out. If it comes to that, I think Andy should pull the trigger, because getting Floyd over to the Orioles will make someone expendable.
Deciding who to let go of I'd think is pretty tough. I'd guess that the trio of Arrieta, Matusz and Tillman are close to untouchable, but then right behind them you've got Bergesen, Hernandez and Spoone. I doubt whether there would be a great interest in Olson or Penn, but maybe Liz.
Can Getz can really place Brian? Well, maybe. I glanced at his minor league stats and noticed some similarities with B-Rob's at the same age. Then again, we don't know if he can hit in the bigs, so there's a risk involved.
A Canadian scouting report I've linked says he "isn't a great defensive second baseman," a project his career potential as a platoon player. If that's accurate, then the O's are going to neutralize the gains in the infield skills they had made by signing Izturis.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Chris_Getz/
That said, this could be an interesting chess match between Williams and MacPhail.
A 17 game winner for someone that has one year left on his contract and will bolt to the other side of town. I am not an idiot. I actually win. Unlike the orioles.
Hey there all, I'm a White Sox fan here. I kind of doubt that Kenny would send over BOTH Floyd and Getz for Roberts, since Roberts is a FA following this year, and the White Sox would have 3 huge holes in their rotation after this kind of a deal.
Maybe a guy like Cole Armstrong could come over with Floyd, that'd allow the O's to move Wieters over to 3B.
Roch....where would Patton fall into this mix? Would they move him to the bullpen?
Also, do you think the O's should take a chance on Mulder?
good deal but maybe add Brandon Allen also or instead
I'm torn on this. If we keep Roberts we may get two of the top 50 picks in next year's draft plus a year of Roberts. We could purchase on the FA market a pitcher to put up Floyd's numbers without losing any players and any compensatory draft picks.
I would think Getz would have to come back in any deal with Roberts. Maybe we could throw in Walker.
If we're not getting Kawakami or Sheets or Lowe I guess we have little choice to go for Floyd. But w/o Getz I'd say forget it.
I would love to keep Roberts, but this seems like the next best thing. Hey Jack, why didn't you rip this trade yet?
Not all 17 wins are created equal. Floyd would have probably been a 11-12 game winner on the O's and until last season struggled to find his way. That said he had a ton of quality starts last season and decent control despite giving up a lot of hits. If the Sox deal him for one year of Roberts it is because they doubt he will replicate that win total and don't love his ceiling. So I agree, Roch, that we need to try to acquire a 2B replacement if we make the deal but we might have to give up an additional player to make it happen.
I'm curious- is this Roberts to Chi-town speculation based on the winter meetings or is it based on new material that you have obtained? Bottom line is that after missing on Tex, Roberts has to go now. This will make dealing with Markakis even more challenging-- which is why we should have locked him up LAST YEAR. Round and round we go... where we'll land nobody knows...
You're on mlb.com Roch! way to go! :)
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090102&content_id=3731873&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
Roch,
Any word on if the White Sox are willing to move Lillibridge?
I would do Roberts for Floyd straight up before Kenny Williams changes his mind. That alone seems too good to be true.
But since we're fantasizing, Getz will probably be a decent MLB 2Bman, and he is ready to make the step up from AAA. .302/.366/.448 in the International League probably projects to .270/.340/.360 in his rookie season. Nothing wrong with that if his glove is good.
I would actually prefer John Shelby Jr., who is at least a year away but who will probably be better than Getz in the long term.
BTW to those who say that the O's have no prospects at 2B in the system, it ain't necessarily so. Greg Miclat was their 5th-round 2008 draftee, a switch-hitting SS with good speed and good on-base skills out of UVA. He had a great sophomore season and would have gone higher except for an injury before his junior season.
Switch-hitting middle infielder out of the ACC with speed, smarts, and hustle... Hey that sounds a lot like Brian Roberts 10 years ago, and Miclat actually compares favorably to Roberts at age 21. Supposedly Miclat is a pretty polished and smart player already, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him move through the system quickly. He would have more value at SS, and the O's would probably prefer to keep him there, but he could certainly end up at 2B, especially if his arm doesn't come all the way back.
Roch,
With a projected rotation of Guthrie, Floyd, Tillman, Matsuz and Arrieta and taking into condiseration we can draft a solid arm with the #5 pick we shoudl look to trade some of those extra arms to fill the needs at 1B and 3B for 2010.
So the whitesox give up a 17 game winner, who is under team control for very little cost + Getz for Roberts who is a free agent at the end of the year. That makes little sense. The sox are spinning off expensive players, trying to reload for the future. I like Roberts, but I don't see the fit.
Floyd and Getz, for Roberts. Might as well ask for Quentin and Rameriz also. What the heck, let em throw in Jenks also. And they can pay for a lot of Jenks salary! If Balt. gets Floyd, it's minimum Roberts and Weiters. I'd ask for another young arm to go along with HG Roberts and the unproven prospect. Isn't this the walk year for Roberts? And Floyd has how long before he hits arbitration? Baltimore sat on Roberts too long. You couldn't dream of getting a player like Floyd for him now. Next time he has real value like that is the trade deadline. Or it's Roberts and a lot, and I do mean a lot.
I'm sorry, but are you all delusional in Baltimore? A YOUNG, former 1st round pick who is under control for several years for one year of Roberts? I think that while Roberts is just what the White Sox need in that leadoff spot, it would be a complete ripoff to give up 3+ years of Floyd for only 1 year of Roberts, who MAY have seen his career highs already pass by. Certainly the age factor contributes to the risk of seeing a decline in his speed, as well.
Floyd and Getz, for Roberts. Might as well ask for Quentin and Rameriz also. What the heck, let em throw in Jenks also. And they can pay for a lot of Jenks salary! If Balt. gets Floyd, it's minimum Roberts and Weiters. I'd ask for another young arm to go along with HG Roberts and the unproven prospect. Isn't this the walk year for Roberts? And Floyd has how long before he hits arbitration? Baltimore sat on Roberts too long. You couldn't dream of getting a player like Floyd for him now. Next time he has real value like that is the trade deadline. Or it's Roberts and a lot, and I do mean a lot.
Roch,
Realistically, what are the chances that the orioles pull this off? I just can't believe a team would trade a young pitcher with #2 potential for a 1yr rental?
Hopefully this happens and not gettin Tex was for the greater good (for the future). We Os fans really need something to bring our spirits up.
I really enjoy the blogs!!!
I would be willing to bet that the White Sox would want someone else for Floyd & Getz. Who might they want? Who else might we be willing to part with to do this deal? Andy Gey Your Gun!
I had a feeling the Roberts stove was going to heat up eventually. The truth is that Roberts is not going to be the Brian Roberts that we know and love when the Orioles become competitive so if they find the right deal(perhaps this one) they need to pull the trigger. This deal seems to make sense because it gives us a legitmate starting pitcher that we desperately need and it gives us a suitable replacement for Roberts. When the Orioles become a winner again in a few years, they will forget all about Roberts. Thanks for being on top of this story Roch!
Roch let me say first of all that I realize that Roberts has to be willing to come back, I get that, I've been told that, rather rudely, I might add but Tom Davis and Dave Johnson. That being said they need to do everything in their power to resign Roberts, a trade is out of the question. I'm supportive of MacPhail and everything he is trying to undo over the last decade, however, losing Roberts gives the allusion that you're not trying. It has been a long time since I've seen a player turn down more money than the other bidders, you can say Tex did (Washington Nationals), but technically they didn't give the Nationals an opportunity to bid higher. They need to overpay for Roberts to send a message to the fan base that they are willing to do whatever is necessary. You can't win in major league baseball without a leadoff hitter and the O's have probably one of the three best in baseball; the O's went through several years trying to find a true leadoff hitter, (i loved Brady but he wasn't a true leadoff hitter). If he gets away you're losing more than a second baseman, he is an excellent leadoff hitter and respected in the community. Getz and Floyd can't bring you that; honestly, Floyd is a one hit wonder and we have no bench mark on Getz, there needs to be more than those two for the intangibles that are leaving once Roberts walks out of that clubhouse.
I continue with the same argument that I have had for weeks about Roberts, if the O's management is selling the fanbase that they want to be competitive in two to three years then Roberts will get his meaningful games. Unfortunately, I don't think that is realistic, especially if you let your offensive players go, after this year the O's are looking at no first, second, third and left, plus short is make shift at this point. Pitching is great but you can't win games zero to zero, you have to score somewhere and in this division great pitching keeps you in the games but it doesn't win games when you have to face a lineup of damon, jeter, arod, tex, etc. In 2010 Markakis will have about 150-200 walks; no sense in pitching to him, no one in the lineup. I think the Roberts situation is the most important decision the O's hierarchy has to make; are you tearing it down and taking five or six years to rebuild or are you sincere in being competitive in two to three. Where do you stand on this Roch? Do you honestly think the O's can be competitive in two to three years without Roberts in the lineup?
PhilF - To suggest that Brian Roberts will be in decline in 2-3 years and out of baseball in five is ludicrous. The guy takes great care of himself. This is the ridiculousness(seems to be popular on this blog) that any player over thirty should be avoided. The Phillies just won the World Series. They are a young team for the most part, but have a 46 year old pitcher in their rotation who just re-upped for two years. They also just signed a 36 year old outfielder to a three year contract.
Ok, as a Sox fan, you cats need to keep dreaming. You want Getz and the Floyd for a probably one year PED-ophile? You need to cook up something a little more creative than that...
Also, we're ripping you guys up in our Sox forum...LOL.
The only way I can see SOX GM Kenny Williams trading Floyd to the Orioles for Brian Roberts would be if the package included a young pitching project (Chris Tillman or Brian Matusz) being included, which will obviously not happen. SOX pitching coach Don Cooper and several others within the organization feel Floyd will make multiple All-Star appearances during his career, so Floyd will not come cheaply.
If Chicago is willing to do this deal (Getz & Floyd for Roberts) the O's have to bite. Let's go....
Floyd and Getz YES we can even throw in Liz!!!!!!! That would make everyone forget about Tex. Thanks Roch,make it happen Andy !!!!! The Orioles are back !!!!
Roch- This would be big. However, I still feel picking up Kawakami and Giambi would be even bigger and actually put the icing on a great offseason.
Think about the rotation with Guthrie-Floyd-Kawakami
then the lineup with Jones,Markakis,Giambi,Huff,Weiters. They would actually be pretty solid with that. Maybe not for the AL East, but definitely an improvment. Is that a 500 ballclub?
Wasn't Ron Shiparo Cal Ripken Jr's agent as a player?
Hey Roch, Nice work on this story. MLB.com quotes you by name on the story and USA Today quotes MASN Sports on this possible trade. Your rep is growing. Keep up the good work.
what kind of prospect is getz? how old is he, what round was he drafted, what rank is he in the white sox system? this guy sounds pretty good, why would the white sox trade for roberts when they have getz in their system
Roch- How would the o's find a suitor to deal hendrickson to at the deadline? Does Fiji have a team?
Do you have any info on how long Floyd is under salary control?
Someone said this year and 2 more. That can't be right can it? It seems like he played at least 2 years for the Phillies. How long was he in CHI town? He went in the trade for Aaron Rowand right? And Rowand has already signed a different contract last year.
Well, anyway, I thought it might be relevant. If this is his last year, than we definitely need another piece. I think we should sweetin the deal and throw in Hendrickson :).
Also, how do they decide what team (Toronto, Brewers, or Angels) get the Yankees first RD pick?
Roch, if the deal on the table is Roberts for Floyd & Getz we've gotta make this trade. Great return for one more year of admittedly one of my favorite O's. I would even expand it to include Olson, if we can get back another player like a Fields/ Allen to make it happen.
Despite the bashing the front office has received lately beause of Tex & Hendrickson (not warranted, IMO) this is the kind of deal that AM needs to make, and helps build sustainable future success for this club.
Longstanding loyal Orioles fans (40 years for me) know that their current path to adding as much young talent to our organization is the way to go.
By the way, you're quite the multi-tasker responding to messages like this while you were on hot stove last night. Good program.
Roch,
This deal would never get sealed. McFAIL would insist on a 4th and 5th player. Unlike the White Sox, the Orioles are not trading Brob when his stock is at the highest. That time was last year and we have watched McFAIL let it drift on by.
I agree, we will lose a 100 games this year with or without Roberts. Trade him for Floyd, Getz and I forget the awesome third baseman they have at AA name.
I would say GET IT DONE, but again we are dealing with McFAIL and I think his history of being a procrastinator will prevail!
WAY TO GO OLE PETER & McFAIL
THANKS FOR ALL OF THE MEMORIES over the last DECADE PETE
Thank goodness the name you brought up WAS NOT Jerry Hairston!
It is dissapointing that we are not discussing a trade of Brob for a pitcher like Floyd. Is he a one year wonder? Before this year, he was a cast off of the Phillies. He was labled a Bust?
Hopefully he found what it is that needs to click. But dont be suprised if he is 8-14 with 5.25 ERA as an Oriole. The AAA second basemen is the real deal. And again if we can grab the third basemean they have at AA...woudl that be sweet. This way anything you do get from Floyd would be a bonus.
Does anyone want to bet that McFAIL will hem and haul into they tell him to stick it....like with the Cubs last year? Or will have to run back and forth to his Daddy for permission!
WAY TO GO OLE PETE & McFAIL
I love that trade! Sounds too good to be true...meaning Roberts only has one year left and we would be getting two players in return w/high ceilings (perhaps if Roberts signed an extension w/White Sox they would be willing to make that trade). If not, we may have to throw another player in such as Olson or Liz, and then in return they would have to throw another prospect in...perhaps a lower level prospect (a position player since we don't have many in the minors).
Acquiring Floyd and Getz would be great but I can't see that happening in exchange for just Roberts. I believe the Orioles would have to throw something else into this deal to make it happen but if MacPhail can pull it off, it's another step in the rebuilding process. Also, I'm not sure Getz makes the prototypical leadoff hitter. That would also amount to a great deal of pressure for a rookie. Maybe he could pull it off but there had better be a plan B.
The deal is good for both clubs , make it happen..........
I am not enamored with Floyd... I feel like he would have a 4+ era, he doesn't get enough strike outs. I guess we are not getting an ace in return for Roberts, but it would be nice to get a pitcher with a better upside.
I would trade Floyd for Roberts straight up. It is much easier to find a second basemen than a good pitcher. Isn't Mark G. on the free agent board why don't we sign a guy like him?
Well the reason all the Oriole fans here are saying this is a deal the O's should take is because it IS too good to be true. From a White Sox fan's perspective, GM Kenny Williams has proved time and time again over the years to be one of the shrewdest GMs around, he's not an idiot. Floyd and Getz are both very, very good. Floyd's 17-8 mark last year, though, can be deceiving. The Sox hit a ton of home runs at their park and Floyd benefitted from some lopsided victories. I personally feel, as great as Brian Roberts is, especially with his contract situation, that Floyd and Getz is too much to give up for Roberts and that's exactly why this deal will not be made!
This deal would save this offseason from being a total disaster, or it will just get our hopes up only to dissapoint.
Roch,
Roberts talk of trade possibibities by you, does this indicate an impasse with the team and Brian is developing?
What does this mean for Nick?
I admit this situation is somewhat out of the O's hands. Of curse if the O's had signe some imprtant pitching help Brian may be more interested too!
Floyd is a number 3 to 4 pitcher in a ral rotation. Roberts in a defensive all star, a hitting machine for people to drive in, an ignitor for the offense and a quality person. Much more is due for his type of player. Flyd, Getz and ? (Pitching).
Where are the extensin talks??????
Maybe Roberts has more value to us but Floyd and Getz doesn't get it done for Roberts. I don't like one year wonders; I need to see more from Floyd before I'm ready to settle on him for Roberts. Getz is a minor leaguer, if he is such a great prospect why would they need to get Roberts?? If he is a question mark, the O's can't afford question mark position players when they are barren of legit position players in their farm system. Jack, fyi, if MacPhail would have traded Roberts to the Cubs last year, we would have gotten essentially a couple bags of balls. The guys who were rumored to be in that deal didn't turn out to be much, based on last years statistics.
Kenny Williams,
Concentrate on the watch. Your eyelids are getting heavy. Floyd, Getz and two more for Roberts. You are getting sleepy. I got three players for Ramon Hernandez, so four players for Roberts is more than fair. Concentrate on the watch. You are getting verrrry sleeeepy......
It would be tough for the WSox to deal Floyd, he is approaching free agency in a couple of years and will be in line for a big raise in arbitration based on his win total last year. They may think they are selling high on him. Getz is their #9-rated prospect by BA, but is recovering from a broken wrist, which definitely introduces some uncertainty. I'm sure they would insist on a window to complete a Roberts extension before completing the trade, and if they could do it this deal could work on both sides.
If Kenny Williams is so smart why does he still have Ozzie %#$*&^%$ Trashmouth as is manager. His act is old. It would be great to get Floyd. I'm sure the good brothers at St. Joe cringe when they think about him playing for Ozzie^%$#@#$ and the Black Sox.
Maybe in a perfect world for Mcphail, he pulls this trigger than some how some way send huff to Los angeles for Saunders!! Imagine that another kid that wants to play in Baltimore!! Joe Saunders jeremy Guthrie, Gavin Floyd as a top 3? I like the Hendrickson deal alot!! A guy that has heart to be somewhere is one I personally will take over stats anyday!!! Mora is another one who loves being here!! Markakis just bought a house here for year around living!! Jones seems to be in town all the time!! Sherrill loves being an oriole!! Erbe, Spoone!! Thats real Orioles, people that love the community!! That gives you more than a uniform to root for!! Now where is Zaun!!!
Entering the 2008 season the White Sox were ranked last in baseball in prospects by Baseball America. Drafting Goron Beckham and turn-around seasons by several players have improved things, but they are still in the bottom teir of baseball. Much of this is due to the fact that Kenny Williams does not hesitate to trade young players if their is a player he wants.
If Williams truly wants Brian Roberts, he will give up Gavin Floyd to get him. You White Sox fans should know this. The guy shoots from the hip. he is quick to deal. The polar opposite of Andy MacPhail. If the Orioles want Getz we'll throw in Garrett Olson.
For starters EVERYONE needs to remember that no one has said that Floyd for Roberts straight-up was even a serious scenario, let alone adding in additional players. All we know is that at some point the Orioles and White Sox had discussions about Roberts to Chicago and Floyd's name was brought into the discussion, the rest is just speculation about what the O's would need to make it worth opening up the tremendous hole in their infield and lineup. So guys let's try not to go too overboard with our scenarios, please.
As for the White Sox fans here in the last two blog entries -- I've always believed that Sox fans were the far more intelligent and baseball savvy fanbase in Chicago...some of the things I've read here make wonder though. We all tend to value our own team's players a little more than those from other organizations, it's natural... but anyone who thinks that Floyd or ANY of the minor league players mentioned so far are worth bringing Matt Weiters into the trade discussion comes across as being completely ignorant of the talent being discussed.
You guys are on crack if you think you're going to get Floyd and Getz for Brian Roberts. Roberts is immensely overrated and in a free agent year.